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凯蒂：您好，欢迎光临，“起点生活播客。” I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com. And this interview is going to be so important, especially if 您 are a parent, because we’在谈论电磁场，它们如何影响我们的身体，尤其是它们如何’re affecting our children. 和我 am here with Dr. 艾米, who is a physician with over 30 years of practice. She has seen, firsthand, very concerning changes in the health of the general population in the span of her career.

和我们’再说很多没有的问题’曾经存在，现在是儿童的问题，为什么她没有’t accept that the common explanations of just diet and diagnostic criteria are 什么’有所作为。在过去的十年中，她’我们对EMF进行了广泛的研究，并且越来越相信EMF在他们所说的文明疾病中起着非常重要的促进作用。 艾米博士，欢迎您，感谢您在这里。

艾米：是的’s so nice to be here with 您 here, Katie. I’m excited to talk.

凯蒂：我也是。我知道这是我们的话题’re both very passionate about. 和我 know that it’这也是一个可能引起很大争议的话题，即使在健康界，这个话题也经常被忽视。所以我可以’t wait to go deep on this. To start off, I want to make sure we clearly define our terms so that everybody listening knows 什么 we’re talking about when we say things like EMFs. So can 您 kind of just walk us through the basics of 什么 EMF actually is and 什么 the different sources are?

艾米：哦，当然，绝对。那里’造成很多混乱，部分混乱是有多个术语基本上适用于同一事物。但是我’有人称它为EMF，这意味着电磁场，“Forces.”基本上，什么是电动势，除了可见的阳光，都是我们看不见的力’重新暴露在这个世界上。它们可以是北极中的磁力，也可以是来自器具和物品，电场的磁力。它们可以是来自手机天线或手机发射塔的无线力量。以便’s basically it. It’的电磁场。

Katie: And so, like 您 said, these can come from the sun, which are natural sources, but also from man-made technology which will be everything. Yeah, like 您 said, from cell phones to WiFi, to all the different spectrums that were exposed to these days. Is 那里 a difference in how those different ones affect the body?

艾米：那’这是一个非常好的问题。所有科学都指向非电离辐射，这是来自有线和无线技术的这些较低级别的形式。这不’包括宇宙辐射或核辐射，这些被称为电离。我们’多年以来，人们都知道它们具有破坏性，’重新损坏立即。但是非电离辐射’s 什么’这里真的值得辩论’有线和无线信号源。

所有的科学几乎都表明它们都以相同的生理方式影响着我们，它们都可能造成大约相同程度的损害，并且以几乎相同的方式损害我们自己。所以没有 ’真的不要紧’有时称为射频场的磁场，电场或无线场，它们都会影响我们的生理

凯蒂：那 makes sense. And so that could be, I would guess, like in a good way, for instance, from the sun, that has all the different spectrums of light and infrared and things that our body actually needs, compared to like man-made forms which can be much more harmful, because they’不是我们身体习惯的自然光谱。我理解正确吗？

艾米：那’s absolutely right. So when 您 look at the spectrum of 什么’s called the electromagnetic spectrum, down on the very low frequency, and 您 would have the Schumann resonance of the earth. And then about midway up, 您 would have sunlight. And then up in the high-frequency spectrum, 您 would have cosmic radiation. And up until about 130 years ago, that’s all 那里 was. And that’s, 您 know, from time immemorial, that’s 什么 mankind was exposed to.

But over the past 130 years, 您 know, with the advent of electricity, and now over the past 30 years with the incredible growth in wireless technologies, we have a large part of the spectrum that we historically were not exposed to. And that is…it’不是电离辐射’并不像我之前提到的那样立即危险，但是科学有力地，有力地表明，随着时间的流逝，它正在损害我们自己，’s all additive.

凯蒂：所以让’我们对此进行更深入的介绍，因为那是最大的… When I’过去以任何一般方式写过有关EMF的文章，我都知道’就像我说的那样，这是一个有争议的话题，但这是我从医学界和科学界得到的最普遍的回击，是’s “非电离辐射。” Therefore, it’完全安全’不是X射线或伽马射线，也不是我们知道有危险的任何射线。

所以，他们说’完全安全，在那里’没有伤害的证据。还有我的直觉…I don’没有您所拥有的医学背景，但我的直觉是，我们的身体本身就是电生物。我们的细胞是单独的电生物，我们的心脏是电生物，它没有’对我来说这不会有影响。所以我’我很好奇，从您的医学背景来看，您所看到的就像是什么机制’从长远来看。因为，就像你说的，我们’在这个领域非常新。我们不 ’有大量数据可以真正研究这一点。最近几十年’真的起飞了。所以，我’我真的对您的临床经验和医学背景感到好奇，’re seeing?

艾米：好的。是的，它没有’t make much sense that something has to burn 您 to hurt 您, does it? I mean, that’s basically 什么 ionizing radiation does. It causes thermal injury, and then it breaks molecular bonds, breaks DNA, it causes mutation, it does it quickly. What we’再说非电离的做法是，它会做同样的事情，但是要花很长时间。 2013年，马丁·保罗（Martin Paul）’华盛顿州立大学的一位研究人员确实可能发现了伤害的主要机制。

And 什么 he found is that EMF disrupts the amount of calcium that’s inside of our cells. Every single cell in 您r body has 什么 are called “电压门控钙通道” these really exquisitely sensitive little channels that control how much calcium is allowed to enter a cell. And when he exposed cells to EMF, these were, 您 know, test tube sort of studies, those little gates were perturbed and they abnormally opened, and 那里 was an abnormal influx of calcium into the cell.

And calcium has to be very precisely controlled in a cell. When 那里 is an abnormal amount inside versus outside, it has a lot of effects. A couple of the big effects were increasing reactive oxygen species. I think most of 您r listeners would have heard about that and about oxidation being a negative thing. There are analogous compounds called reactive nitrogen species, and they pretty much do the same thing in terms of damaging a cell.

该工作也已被复制，并且’s held up to scrutiny. And that is considered to be probably the primary mechanism as we understand it now. And then, 您 have some secondary and tertiary things that happened, we’不能完全确定这种联系，但在下游，我们的DNA断裂。 DNA是我们的遗传蓝图，它必须准确。我们可以’没有休息，我们可以’不会破坏代码。

For a meaningful function of a cell, that DNA needs to be exact, or 您 start to have cancer risk or just metabolic disturbances over time. And this is probably an area where children are more susceptible because they’重新生长，它们的DNA一直在复制，…what’称为transcripted或’用作细胞功能的蓝图。在这种情况下，儿童可能更容易接受这种DNA损伤，因为’会更长寿，他们’re gonna…you know, DNA it’必须工作更长久，而且’随着时间的流逝，这将造成越来越多的伤害。因此，这是下游效应之一。

钙门控通道的其他一些下游影响是，已知细胞培养物会产生什么，而响应于EMF暴露，它们会产生什么’s called “heat shock proteins,”现在基本上被称为应激蛋白。因此，这表明您这些细胞处于胁迫之下。下游发生的另一件事是’称为血脑屏障。为了使大脑具有适当的功能，大脑必须保持自己非常孤立的环境。它没有’不喜欢东西很容易进出。而且’基本上通过大鼠研究表明，EMF会导致这种屏障的破坏。

这些是我们进行的一些基本更改’已经看到。这些变化，我们不’真的不知道它们是如何转变成器官问题的，但是许多研究表明，器官的问题实际上是来自神经退行性问题（例如阿尔茨海默氏病）的所有方面’和ALS，以及自律性心律失常，血糖控制和糖尿病等自闭症，注意力缺陷多动障碍和学习问题。我认为它’s not surprising from a physiologic standpoint that multiple systems are affected when 您 consider that the primary known mechanism for EMF injury is the voltage-gated calcium channel, which exists in every cell in 您r body.

And, like 您 said, Katie, we are electric and, 您 know, some organs are more electric than others, and brain and heart would be at the top of that list. And if 您 noticed on my list of organ systems that can be affected, a lot of those were neurologic. And 那里 was also, 您 know, the cardiac arrhythmia noted 那里. So this is kind of an overview of the impact of EMFs. One area that 我没有’t bring up was melatonin suppression, and I think this is really, really key. Melatonin, of course, is a hormone secreted by 您r brain, which is secreted at nighttime and helps 您 get into that deep, really, really restful sleep.

我会说，关于褪黑激素抑制的研究很多。我最近读到2000年，已有15项出色的研究。那’马丁·保罗（Martin Paul）在其精彩著作中所言。我认为如果你不这样做’不想接受EMF可能在这些广阔地区造成伤害，癌症和老年痴呆症’和不孕症等，如果您只相信别的，但可能会干扰睡眠，那么我认为’令人信服。因为我们都知道一旦睡眠受到损害，那最终，’只是不舒服。以便’对可能受到影响的主要和次要机制以及器官系统的概述非常大。而且，在我作为儿科医生的职业生涯中，我看到了变化，尤其是在过去的五年中，我的传统思想确实没有任何解释。

最大的问题之一是2型糖尿病患者出现了胰岛素抵抗。当我在美国居住的时候’80s, early ’90s, we weren’甚至没有讲过2型糖尿病，因为那是“an adult disease,”您知道，这是一种老年人，超重成年人的疾病。但是我通常会看到青少年2型糖尿病患者的胰岛素抵抗，并且这里可能与EMF相关。您知道，每个人都一直试图将其标记在美国的饮食上，这确实很糟糕，我同意这一点。但是，血糖控制和糖尿病是可能与EMF相关的几件事。那将是通过线粒体电子隧穿，某种电位，某种原因引起的。我们知道线粒体必须隧穿电子，并且它们’以非常精确的方式重新充电粒子。

Some of that goes awry in those conditions, and it makes sense when EMF is an electric magnetic field, that it could disrupt a very precise electric, 您 know, magnetic process that happens in 您r body. So that was one thing that I’我们已经看到，我们对此没有解释，也很难治疗。还有其他我遇到的巨大问题的领域’从历史上看，这将是自闭症。现在我们知道了’s about 1 and 50 to 60 children in this country, which, 您 know, is a tragedy.

在实践的初期，我可能最多每月会看到几个自闭症儿童，而现在’每天发生一次。而且，你知道，我’我已经与我所有的合作伙伴交谈过，我们所有人真的不相信扩展的诊断标准是我们的原因。’再见到更多这些受影响的孩子。我还要说的是，我看到更多的注意力缺陷障碍，学习问题以及普通的旧行为问题。我不’t know if 那里’在那里连接，但可能与睡眠不足有关。我听到父母谈论儿童失眠，’从来没有真正听说过。而且’我在办公室听到的例行投诉。所以我不’不知道那是否回答了你的问题，但是那’只是对我在哪里看到EMF潜在问题的一个非常大的概述。

凯蒂：是的，我认为 您’没错，那里有很多层次。即使它做了唯一的事情，我们也知道’s not, is to affect sleep. Like, all the stats are so strong on that. If 您 want to talk about research, we know, if 您 don’t get enough sleep, if 您 don’t get into parasympathetic nervous system, and if 您 don’t have the right melatonin-cortisol rhythm, then 您 can have the blood sugar, for instance, of a pre-diabetic just from missed sleep. And 您 can have all kinds of mental struggles just from missed sleep alone. So we’re talking about…

艾米：是的。

凯蒂：是的，我们’re talking about that compounded with potentially all these other mechanisms that 您 just listed in the body. 和我 think 您’re so right because 我不’t have a medical background, but I have a pretty strong research and statistics background. 和我 agree with 您, I’ve been looking at the stats, and it does it line up. Because yes, our diet has changed drastically in the last couple of generations, and we have factors like, I would say, the overuse of plastic is a huge factor, especially when 您’在谈论儿童和内分泌干扰化学物质。

但是即使那两个’不能完全解释多快。我的意思是，我们’看到所有这些问题的统计数据像曲棍球棒一样在上升，这是闻所未闻的。这在儿童历史上从未发生过。喜欢它’可以预期，当我们开始进入中年时，这些问题就会出现，但是’闻所未闻的看到我们孩子的这种增长，是’t it?

艾米: Oh, I absolutely agree. 和我 agree with 您, it’s almost certainly multi-factorial, which of course, makes it all hard to sort out. I do think the American diet and this, 您 know, the standard American diet is horrible and contributory. I think that toxins, I think glyphosate, plastics, BPA, EMF, it’s probably all a perfect storm, if 您 will. Yeah, absolutely. 和我 think the sleep thing is just crucial. And that just reminds me of a study that I just found so fascinating and just so compelling on the whole melatonin that I’d like to describe it to 您.

A lot of the studies on EMF are 什么 we call epidemiologic, meaning they’重新研究不同的人群并试图得出结论。你知道，例如，他们会看着 ’例如，一名护林员与一名电工。他们可能会尝试测量其褪黑激素水平，如果EMF成为问题，则从理论上讲，电工的褪黑激素水平将比护林员低，因为他的暴露水平会高得多。

但我认为，其中许多研究都是有缺陷的，因为尽管它们控制了…if they were looking at profession, 您 know, they would, theoretically, be controlling for 40 hours a week. But that wouldn’t control for the other, 我不’t know, 120-something hours in a week. 和我 think that’这就是为什么许多研究确实得出不同结果的原因。但是我发现这是一项很棒的研究，我们基本上把人装在盒子里，我们占他们时间的100％。听起来有点奇怪，没有’t it?

我们将人放在这些高EMF盒子中，然后将它们放在低EMF盒子中。实际上，这项研究是在新生儿重症监护病房中进行的，因为我们的婴儿等值线图中有婴儿，这些婴儿的EMF很高，如果状况良好，它们被放入婴儿床中，据记录这些婴儿的EMF较低，他们把婴儿放回了婴儿。进入isolette，只是要仔细检查所有数据。数据确实很强大。在高EMF环境中的婴儿褪黑激素的含量要比婴儿床低。在这些等值线中，他们还具有抑制心率变异性的功能，而这正是您刚才所说的。它’缺乏副交感神经状态或不是理想的副交感神经状态。

您知道，心率变异性是压力的指标。所以我很喜欢这项研究，因为我们可以完全控制自己的学科。你知道，我们不’t have them, 您 know, we’re not looking at their career and the rest of their life, who knows 什么 they’在做。我认为这是一项很棒的研究。它是由一位意大利研究人员于2012年完成的。

凯蒂：那’这样的好点是因为在成年人中，就像你说的，这些人，’一周只有40个小时，他们可以回家并在头顶旁边用WiFi路由器睡觉’对此无法控制。它’令人遗憾的是，这项研究使他们能够隔离那些受到如此严重影响的婴儿。对于所有听的父母，’d爱，如果您可以在医学上做一些更深的解释，您提到了HRV或心率变异性，那么您能否更深入地了解那是什么？我知道，例如，我们每天有一个程序在计算机上运行，​​当我们每天开始在家上学时，我可以使用该程序来帮助正确地训练心率变异性，但要说明这是什么以及它与副交感神经活动有何关系。

艾米：好的。因此，每个人都认为，当他们将手放在胸前或感觉到自己的脉搏时，他们的心脏就会以非常规律的速度跳动。你知道的，那就是如果你坐着不动。您起身锻炼，显然，它加快了速度，但没什么。但实际上，两次心跳之间的时间间隔可能会有所不同。当你’处于放松状态时，它的变化越来越大，因此您具有更大的可变性。而且，当您进入压力状态时，它的可变性将大大降低。您可以将其视为锤子。它’只是动臂，动臂，动臂，动臂，就产生了一些要求。因此，心率变异性实质上是对您放松程度或副交感程度的衡量。

你知道，你的神经系统有两个分支。它具有同情心的一种，当您承受压力时会活跃。它’s probably…it’在白天，当您必须外出做事和应对压力时，您会更加活跃。而且’拥有它实际上很好。您知道，它可以帮助您处理多种不同的生活。但这需要在晚上关闭，并且副交感神经系统需要激活，然后您才能处于放松状态以进行睡眠。或者，就像你说的那样，带着你的孩子，你’重新尝试让他们进入轻松愉快的状态，以便他们可以更好地学习。它’当然，当我们冥想，做瑜伽时，我们会激活什么。我们’当我们以一种典型的，有氧的举重，西方的方式运动时，就会表现出同情的动力。

凯蒂：是的，我认为’s such an important distinction. And, like 您 said, 那里’re so many factors that come into play 那里, but understanding that EMF or one of those, I feel like, is very important for parents. 和我 want to, in just a 分 ute, go deeper on how we can find out if EMFs are affecting our children in our own homes, and how to mitigate it, because that is an elephant of a topic that we’重新不​​得不解决。

But first, somewhat selfishly, I would love 您r take on how those of us, including me, can answer the critics who say, “Oh, it’因此是非电离辐射’s safe, and 您’重新成为危言耸听的人’没什么好担心的。” Because I feel like 那里 is a growing divide between those of us on different sides of this issue, and I would love to have some insight from the medical community, from 您r perspective, of how to respond to that in an educated and kind way, but to make that point.

艾米：哦，当然。所以当我第一次开始研究这个问题时，大概是’不知道是六七年前。我以为会有几十个甚至数百个研究，而我发现针对EMF的研究实际上有数千个，我感到震惊和惊讶。而且，您知道，电信行业和技术的捍卫者将指出，这些研究没有充分的证据。而且’确实是混合的结果。赖亨利’是华盛顿大学的一位教授，他对研究进行了分析，总体而言，大约有56％的比率表明EMF有害，而有44％的比率表明它们无害。如果按资金细分，如果剔除那些由行业资助的资金，它将表明约67％有害，而28％则无害。

但我会反驳，即使你不这样做’如果50％的研究表明不是这样的话，那么什么时候将我们视为安全的呢？我可以告诉你，绝对不允许这样的医学程序或药物。你知道，你不会’t，您知道，在其他任何行业中，家居用品，汽车等，都不会存在50％安全的物品，’简直荒唐可笑。以我的观点，您知道，从根本上说，电信行业基本上是依靠消费者来证明不安全的，而实际上应该在他们的法庭上证明这些东西是安全的。这些频率实际上从未在人体上进行过测试。

Katie: Yeah, exactly. 和我 hope and I’m sure 您 share my hope that in the next 10 years, we’re going to see more independent studies on this, that can give us more data to be able to use to back this up. But I feel, like 您 said, that’当一半的数据或一半以上的数据显示它时，这是一个完美的点’是不安全的，为什么我们要忽略它然后再将其称为安全？那’在数学上甚至都不是逻辑上的。

艾米：对。你知道，我的想法是现在这个行业真的’甚至试图赢得有关安全性的科学论证，’s just trying to keep this argument going. 我不’认为我们需要越来越多的研究。我认为我们需要制止一切，并重新考虑这一点，并确保这是安全的，然后再继续。您知道，5G就是完美的例子。

Katie: Yeah, 什么’s 您r take on 5G? Because I know that’s coming if it’s not already 那里 for a lot of us.

艾米：是的，绝对是。一世’ve done a little bit of reading on that recently. And so, 5G is going up the spectrum. And when 您 go up the spectrum, 您’re increasing the energy, 您 know, the power 那里. And 5G will have more power in it, and these are very short little waves, they’再称为毫米波，MMW。就像我们现在拥有的手机信号塔一样，波长要长得多，它们是三到八兆赫兹。 5G的千兆赫范围是30到300，所以它’波长短得多。这意味着它具有更多的功能，但是它没有’确实有弯曲或转弯的能力。

因此，这实际上只是细胞塔发出的视线，这意味着它们’将不得不拥有数百万个。那里’几乎在每250英尺的每个电线杆上都会有一个。所以我认为这意味着我们’将会有更浓密的电烟雾。您现在知道，当您随身携带手机时，’知道，你有一个酒吧，两个酒吧，你知道，四个酒吧，你有什么，你’并非总是如此密集。但是对于5G，这项技术只要求…you’可能非常密集，或者根本没有。和我’我真的很怕前者。

Katie: Yeah, and I love that 您 just use the term “electrosmog,” because I studied a little bit in Switzerland at a medical clinic 那里, and I feel like Europe is ahead of us by far on this issue. And they refer to 电烟雾 which 您 can probably define better than I can, but kind of as the cumulative amount of dirty electricity, WiFi, etc., all these things that we’re encountering on a daily basis, but can 您 expound on that a little bit?

艾米: I would absolutely agree with 您r definition 那里, Katie. And 我不’t…there’s no official definition of it, but we all know 什么 smog looks like. There’幸运的是，就空气质量而言，这种情况越来越少，但是’s the analogous thing from WiFi towers and from electric and magnetic fields. But mostly, that will be coming from WiFi towers, mostly, especially if 您 have 1 every 250 feet. It’s going to be dense, and 那里’不会逃避它。

凯蒂：是的，确实如此。因此，这是一个区域，EMF灵敏度和EMF曝光，’s an area that I’我做了很多研究，因为就像我说的那样’是我们这一代需要解决的问题，它正在影响我们的孩子。可悲的是’那里没有很多有用的信息。而我 ’我看到的是我们十年前通过更自然的健康和自然食品运动所见到的东西，那就是妈妈是前线的妈妈，“我的孩子出了点问题，所有的医疗专业人员都告诉我’很好，孩子通常都是这样，而我不’不要相信。所以我’我要去研究，而我’我要改变饮食，我’我要改善他们的睡眠。看，他们’表现好多了。”

和我 feel like moms are now asking all these hard questions about EMFs, and I feel like moms, maybe, are going to be the ones who start mitigating it even before we have, like 您 said, a better understanding of it and less controversy in the area. I feel like moms are still willing to tackle this right now. So I’d。希望真正地开始实践，并首先谈谈我们如何知道电动势是否对我们自己的房屋造成影响。

艾米: Sure. And 您’re right, it’s always going to be the moms. And, 您 know, 您’re right. It’s part of this ancestral awareness, and 10 years ago it was food. I would bet that a lot of 您r followers are all in line with blue light and its impact on sleep. 和我 think this is just the natural progression of that. And in terms of mitigating homes, well, I kind of like to work backwards. I’d like to start with the wireless. And ideally, believe it or not, 您’re going to go back to having Ethernet cords in 您r home, that 您’re going to hook 您r computer, to 您r laptop to, that would be ideal in terms of even having WiFi.

Number two to that would be, to turn 您r WiFi off when 您’re really not using it, and especially turn it off at nighttime. And certainly any cell phones should be in airplane mode as well when 您’re not using them when 您 don’不需要电话，尤其是在夜间。我建议大家回去购买旧的旧式有线电话在家中，因为无绳电话，DECT电话，D-E-C-T电话确实和手机一样差劲。他们’不断发出信号，基地正在与远程电话通信。

So those are those are the wireless things that 您 want to change. You also want to think about baby monitors. 我不’t know if 那里 is a hardwired solution for one, it would seem difficult to me, but do 您 really need it, I guess, is a good question to ask. And any other sorts of wireless or Bluetooth things that 您 have. Game controllers, like PlayStation and 什么not, apparently, those will communicate even in the turned off mode. So 您 actually have to unplug those from the wall in order to get those Bluetooth communications to quiet. Do 您 have any questions about any other wireless sort of thing that I could address?

凯蒂：我想你’re spot on. 和我’在我自己的研究中，我也听说过有关游戏机的信息，而我们没有’t have any of the…我们就像我小时候的任天堂系统一样，像素化，’几乎不是视频游戏系统。和我’我可以接受那个’通常关闭。但是所有这些都是。他们’总是广播。和我’我曾经听过测试机构的人说，这些是他们遇到的最高EMF的东西，即视频游戏系统。我们为两者所做的是…我们的互联网在哪里，电视也在哪里，我想是VCR或Blu-ray播放器，无论现在是什么，以及插入的所有东西，我们都装有电涌保护器，当我们关闭开关’重新使用它，它会关闭所有功能。

晚上，我们还会在电涌保护器上安装一个计时器。因此，一切都会在晚上自动关闭，我们也可以更早关闭它。这就是我给妈妈的提示。它’s like a $10 timer that 您 get on Amazon and it makes it easier if 您 forget to turn it off. It just automatically goes down at the kids’ bedtime, so they’重新不​​暴露。但是，我认为’这是无线事物的重要提要。

和我’我听到人们说，我’m curious if 您 would agree, that if we can even just reduce our exposure during sleep by that much, that that helps so much because we are trying to get in that parasympathetic and our cells are more vulnerable at night. So if 您 reduce the nighttime exposure, that’很大的因素。而我们大多数人’t even necessarily in our homes all day anyway, if 您 got kids at school or playing outside. So that nighttime exposure seems to be very important. Would 您 agree with that?

艾米：是的。我的意思是，绝对它’关于回到这种副交感状态并使您的环境安静，黑暗，电子安静的一切。还有关于电源板的想法，然后将其关闭…and a timer, that’s wonderful. There’s another…a little gizmo, that’称为智能插头，您实际上在其中有一个遥控器。它 ’就像一个车库门开启器之类的东西。而且您的设备插入了另一种插入墙壁的东西，并且您可以远程切断它，因为我知道有些人’的时间表并不总是相同的，您最终会发现拔下计时器，’重置它，什么都没有。每个人都必须找到最适合他们的方法，但是彻底解决这些问题或拔掉它们是解决方案。

我没有’提到智能电表，它们当然是另一种形式的无线污染，它们’re unavoidable in many cities. And 您 don’t have any control over that frequently. Sometimes 您 can pay 您r utility company an extra fee and avoid that. That’s 什么’在我的社区中发生，我认为’s worth it. You’re essentially paying for someone to walk around and read 您r meter rather than someone driving by with some device that can remotely read it.

但是这些智能电表排放很多，’re communicating a lot. And the way to protect 您rself and 您r family from those is with different shielding sorts of solutions. And 您 would have to go on one of the low EMF sort of sites online and find shielding material that 您 would put around that, between that in 您r home, so that it was only broadcasting towards the street and try to really 分 imize the amount that is being broadcast into 您r home.

凯蒂：那’s a good point. And, at least, from 什么 I’ve read on that, the good thing is, if 您’re able to shield, like 您 said, between 您r house and the meter, so it’只是指出’s…the further 您 get from it, it declines. The EMFs declined pretty drastically, like within the first like five feet seem to be the most dangerous, for sure. So it’s not like 您’re like beaming dangerous radiation to 您r neighbor unless they happen to be two feet away from 您. It’s just 您 want to block that from coming into 您r home.

And unfortunately, we are kind of in a world where we have to mitigate this kind of things if 您 can’t opt out, which is…we’re in that scenario as well. Thankfully, our smart meters, not as bad as they come. I know 那里’它们在多大程度上有多么糟糕以及它们广播的频率，但在某种程度上，这些事情肯定要注意，

艾米：是的，是的。

Katie: And then, so those would be wireless forms of EMFs. And one that I feel like does not get talked about enough and the reason I was so excited to talk to 您 is wired forms of EMFs because I think it’s easy… A lot of us are on board with understanding, 您 know, our kids shouldn’当他们玩手机时’re 您ng and they shouldn’尽可能暴露在WiFi中。但它’s harder to grasp potentially the idea that we are also getting EMFs from wires that are in walls, that are not broadcasting anything. So can 您 explain 什么’s going on 那里 and 什么 we need to be aware of?

艾米：当然可以。因此，您家中的接线确实会产生什么’称为电场。许多人认为，如果他们’在卧室里，他们关闭了顶灯，他们关闭了灯，得到了电池供电的时钟，’已经做了他们需要做的一切，他们’我真的没有意识到墙上的电线正在影响他们。其他人认为…他们会更进一步，只是拔掉东西。好吧，那条电线仍然在那里。只要该电线是带电的，它就会产生一个从墙壁向外延伸的电场，大约六英尺左右。’s variable, but it’肯定在那里。您可以用常规的旧电压表（价格为20美元）测量它。

而不是将末端剪到您’重新测量电压，将其保持在身体上。当您靠近墙壁时，您将拥有更多’称为人体电压，随着您走得更远，您的人体电压会下降。这些被称为交流电场，交流电场或增加的人体电压。我在我们这里的演讲中说过，科学确实表明它没有’就像是EMF的有线形式一样，就像您家中的有线电场一样’墙壁或无线’所有这些都可能以相同的方式影响我们的生理，并随着时间的流逝，以相同的方式对我们造成损害。

So 什么 您 want to do is, ideally, 您 want to turn that power off to 您r sleeping area at night and reduce all of 您r wireless forms of emission like we talked about previously. And 那里 are remote cutoff switches that 您 can get to, 您 know, kill switches to help with this process. You can go out to 您r panel, which is typically located in 您r garage or basement, and turn off 您r circuit breakers. But I would have the caveat 那里 that 您 would really only want to do that if 您r circuit breakers are switch rated.

这个国家的大多数断路器都不是，它们’并不是真的要随着时间的推移而起作用。你知道，他们 ’为了维修和解决问题而打算将其打开和关闭，但是每天将其关闭和打开可能会导致它们发生故障，并且确实存在危险。所以不要’t do that, unless 您 have circuit breakers that are switch rated. But when 您 do that, 您 have killed the power to that sleeping area, and that is the best way to eliminate those fields. It’是消除这些电场的唯一方法。

凯蒂：那’s good to know.

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Katie: 和我 know that 您 have kind of a personal backstory with EMFs and how 您 got into this. Because I know, it’不是超级常见。一世’很少有医学专家对电磁场有足够的了解，所以如果’s not too personal of a topic, can 您 actually share kind of 您r own, as a little bit of a deviation from the topic, 您r own journey into why how 您 realize this was so important, and then the solution that 您 have now figured out that is helpful with 什么 您 just talked about?

艾米: Yeah, sure. So, 您 know, like 您 alluded to, it was a, for me, it was a growing, 您 know, ancestral health awareness. It started with the dietary changes for myself and my family, and kids, and, 您 know, and trying to encourage my patients as well. And then it moved into, 您 know, the blue light and that sort of mitigation. And light and EMF are on the same spectrum, and it just made sense to me, just like it did to 您 that it’是不自然的。你知道，如果我们以自然为最终标准，’s the whole point of the ancestral movement, then we need to address, 您 know, EMFs in the same manner.

所以大约五六年前，我开始走到车库，将它们扔到断路器上。一开始，我只是扔了主断路器，因为我没有’t know about this body voltage testing and how to be really precise and not have to, 您 know, cut off refrigeration, and heating, and cooling, and fans, and 什么not. So I just did the whole thing. And then after a while, 您 know, 您 would forget and the dogs will be barking in the middle of the night, or 您 have to get up and go to the bathroom and 什么 have 您.

对我来说，很明显，即使对于一个像我这样真正有上进心并且拥有一个简单的单层房屋的人，我也没有’t have to navigate basement stairs and 什么not, that it just wasn’真正具有可持续性。因此，大约四，五年前，我认识并嫁给了现任丈夫。他有种想法…he scratched my head. He has a background in electronics and industrial control and 什么not, and he thought I was an unusual person to be doing that. Because with his background in electronics, he just wasn’意识到这些问题。但是尽管如此，他还是加入了。

最终，作为一个蜜饯项目，他创建了一个远程开关，以便我们可以从卧室断开电路。因为实际上，您要做的是，您必须减轻这些EMF，即您可以，何时，何地使用的EMF。那么，什么时候，什么地方。您可能无法控制射频暴露的某些方面。您知道，您可能无法完全屏蔽智能电表。您可能无法完全照顾附近某个电器的磁场，但是您尝试着力所能及的所有要点，因为从长远来看，某种缓解措施要比没有缓解措施要好。

So, we have we have that product that we have, 您 know, just really started marketing here in the past few months, and we’重新尝试为我们提供尽可能多的帮助，并努力使之达到目标’s easy to do. Because it has to integrate in 您r bedtime routine, it can’太难了。人们真的需要继续努力，因为这是一个大问题。

凯蒂：我同意。我想就像你说的那样’对此进行了大量研究。和我’我很高兴，当我在Paleo f（x）找到你们时，我感到非常兴奋，因为我一直在试图找出关断断路器以及断开哪些断路器的相同类型的事物，’这不是可持续的事情，然后您会忘记这样做。所以’有点像将计时器放在WiFi或遥控器或其他设备上的想法，就像您可能不记得每天晚上或人们会在不同时间这样做一样。所以，现在我们’重新使用您在我们家里创建的东西，即所谓的EMF消灭开关，’如此容易。所以我’d如果您能给我们一个确切的解释，基本上是什么以及它是如何工作的，请给我。

And also, when 您 get one of these, how 您 need to talk to an electrician or whoever’正在安装它，因为正如我所说，我认为’s an area that not a lot of them are familiar with, necessarily. I was lucky that my dad is very well versed in this, but I know not everyone has a dad who can install an EMF kill-switch, so can 您 talk about that implementation process?

艾米: Sure. So the kill switch is basically an accessory electrical panel that 您 mount next to 您r main electrical panel, and, like I said, that’通常在车库或地下室。这个小面板 ’s about a foot by foot square. It has a big metal cord that then connects over to 您r main panel. And 您r electrician doesn’t even have to get into the guts of the 什么 we call the EMF kill-switch, which is this little accessory panel, but he just hooks up the wires that come out of 那里 in a really a pretty straightforward way that’很好地概述了良好的说明。

And he hooks them up to the circuits that 您 have determined needed to be cut off at nighttime to bring 您r body voltage as low as possible. And 您 have to go through that body voltage testing process like I briefly talked about earlier, where 您’re holding on to a lead and 您’re testing 您r body voltage in 您r room. But this time instead of moving closer to the wall to see 您r body voltage go up and moving away and seeing 您r body voltage drop, 您 end up turning off different circuits and seeing which ones are in the walls surrounding 您r sleeping area and need to be turned off.

For example, if 您r bedroom is up against a study and 那里’s a common wall, then 您 probably are also going to have to turn off the electricity in the…most of the electricity in the room that, 您 know, that goes to the study, because those wires are running in a common wall. Luckily, in most homes, 您 know, bedrooms are kind of grouped and 您 can take care of more than one bedroom and 您 won’t have to interfere with other areas that have to be lit up for, 您 know, for people who stay up later, that may or may not be an issue.

但是您必须经过一个确定过程的过程。它’并不难。需要一些时间，需要两个人。您知道，一个人在断路器箱中关闭电路，另一人在房子中记录测量数据。而且’一个小时的过程，您’找出影响您睡眠区域的电路。基本上，您知道在这些断路器上贴上一些标签，然后电工来了，他将这些电路与我们的附件控制箱连接起来。然后，将它们从卧室挂上后，您将拥有一个遥控钥匙，小钥匙扣，就像打开车子一样，晚上睡觉时，您只需按一下那里的小按钮即可。

If 您 need electricity in the middle of the night, 您 hit it again and, once again, in the morning 您 turn everything on, 您 know, right 那里 from 您r bedroom. There’不能四处奔波和做事。所以’s pretty handy. We’我们有一年了。我绝对可以说我睡得更好。有时，我们完全忘记将其关闭，而我’ll wake up and I’ll be like, “Yeah, that was…” You know, it’可以放心地度过一个糟糕的夜晚，看看为什么。你知道的’对我很有帮助’我真的是想把这句话说出来，并让其他人也加入进来。

凯蒂：是的，肯定的。当我安装我们的视频时，我录制了一些非常粗糙的视频，有点展示了过程，电压表等等。所以，只要我有时间编辑它，希望在播客播出之前，我’请确保链接到它。但是我’我将其发布只是为了展示，因为它确实不是一个困难的安装过程，它比我预期的要容易。确实需要一点时间，但事实并非如此’t hard. 和我 think 您’对于我们为什么需要解决这个问题以及为什么要解决这个问题，我们给出了很好的医学和科学解释’如此重要，特别是对于那些在家中有孩子的人。

我觉得像是妈妈’s perspective, and certainly, where I was when I first started researching this, it can be so overwhelming, and 您 can get into that analysis paralysis. And like, I hear from people all the time, like, “好吧，一切都会杀了我们，所以我可能什么也不做。” And so I’d love to hear, kind of, as we start to get toward the end, if 您 could just wrap up by explaining why…I mean, 您’ve made such a good case, but why we need to put this into action and why even baby steps are so important to get started and where 您’d建议开始。

艾米：好的。所以分析瘫痪，Katie，我在实践中也看到了很多。人们会说，“哦，我想研究一下。您知道，我想花点时间，然后再付诸实践，然后真正了解它。”基本上，当人们告诉我我的想法时会发生什么，“Oh, no, they’再也不做任何事。” And that’发生了什么。我们当然看到，当人们不知所措时，’这是一个很大的回应。然后’s 什么 I’m trying to…我尽量不让人们不知所措。我可能会用大量的这些数据和所有信息淹没这里的人们，但我认为真正的收获是，有一些解决方案可以使用我们的技术，您知道，’就像您提到的那样，不会成为Luddite，而是生活在洞穴或帐篷中。

You really have to be 您 and 您r family’s advocate for health in regard, 您 know, in many areas, in my opinion, but, especially in something like this, I guarantee 您, 您r doctor has had no training. You may have an informed doctor and 您 could speak with him about it but 您’re going to have to educate 您rself, try not to get overwhelmed, the analysis paralysis, and take some form of action and then build off of that. It is highly unlikely that 您’re going to do anything wrong that can hurt 您rself, so don’不要害怕错误。

You know, just keep learning about this and implementing small changes, maybe an occasional big change. Keep working on 您r children so they’不要对技术上瘾。我有他们不认识的人’不想这样做，因为他们’怕他们的少年’s revolt, 您 know, about not having the WiFi on until 2:00 a.m. or something like that. You’需要制造这些支架，有些支架会比其他支架更难，但我只是认为’非常重要。我认为它’如此大的健康问题。

Katie: I agree. And like 您, I think we’re going to see only more and more, unfortunately, of this, unless we tackle it, and more and more in the literature. And just, this is such a growing topic, and I think 您’re doing an excellent job both in 您r practice and places like now explaining it and getting the word out. And that would be my encouragement to other women and moms as well or anyone listening, is to just start making the baby steps and see because…我知道第一手资料，而且我有很多亲密的朋友，他们都有相同的经历。

你的睡眠好多了，有区别，尤其是区别是我们可以’t see that over time that kids, hopefully, not developing these problems and protecting their DNA as they grow and protecting those voltage-gated bumps that 您 talked about, things we can’t immediately measure, but that are going to have such a big impact on their lives going forward. So I love that 您’重新散布这个词。还有一个问题’d喜欢问，因为我们总结一下是否’是一本最喜欢的书’s really had an impact on 您 or changed 您r life in some way that 您 would recommend?

艾米：好，很好的问题。你知道，大约10或12年前，我的意思是，这确实不合时宜，但我读过Michael Pollan’s, “The Omnivore’s Dilemma.” And, 您 know, it’s about…have 您 read that book, Katie?

凯蒂：是的，是的。

艾米: Yeah. So, 您 know, it’s about taking kind of a different look at, 您 know, 什么 it means to be a human and being able to eat anything, but maybe not anything and everything is good for 您. 和我 think that kind of was the beginning of my thinking a little bit differently. It was very eye-opening for me. And that sparked my movement into the ancestral sort of movement on food and light and everything. So that was a huge book for me.

凯蒂：是的，这本好书，我喜欢他的名言，吃真正的食物，不要太多，主要是植物。我觉得’s one thing I…当然也没有话题，但我认为我们在祖传健康界或健康界中的大多数争论是，关于哪种类型的确切饮食是最佳的？就像，最终，我们达成了90％的协议。我们所有人都会说蔬菜重要而又好，无论什么手段，我们都需要清洁的蛋白质。而且我认为，如果我们专注于我们达成的共识并食用更多健康的植物资源，甚至包括那些食用肉类的人，那么我们将朝着更加健康的道路迈进很长的路，但是我喜欢那本书。

艾米：是的，我是说，’s about, 您 know, eat real foods. And nature is the ultimate standard here. And, 您 know, it’是我们用于有机食品和非转基因食品的标准。它’是我们的食品标准…it’s our standard for air and water quality, 您 know. 和我 think, 您 know, so it needs to be with our exposure to EMR. We need to think about more, 什么 is more of a natural sort of condition. We don’不需要放弃我们的技术，但我认为我们需要做出非常周到和谨慎的选择。

Katie: I agree. And lastly, if 那里’s a piece of advice that 您 could spread far and wide, I know 您’ve spread a lot of great advice in this interview, but that 您 could just pass on to a lot of people, 什么 would it be and why?

艾米：好吧，我认为这可以追溯到现有的解决方案，’不要不知所措，采取婴儿的步骤。它’s 什么 inside of 您r home is 什么 counts the most. This is 什么 building biologists talk about. Everybody gets that overwhelmed, “Oh my gosh,” 您 know, “Google’s putting up balloons and my neighbor has, 您 know, 18 routers,”那种感觉，他们只是有点闭嘴，’s 什么 我不’不想看到发生。我希望人们尝试改变自己的个人环境并改善自己的环境…and their family’s health.

凯蒂：我喜欢，100％同意。我知道我们’讨论了很多不同的事情，所有这些链接都将在显示注释中显示，尤其是指向我安装在我家中的EMF消灭开关的链接，以及希望如何实现的视频。它’到那时准备就绪，这些都在wellnessmama.fm中。所以如果你’开车或跑步，或在收听播客时所做的任何事情，不要’不必担心写下来，只需在此处查看此剧集即可。还有艾米博士，非常感谢您的宝贵时间。我知道您既忙于儿科医生，又想了解有关EMF的信息，这意味着您花了很多时间在这里并作今天的解释，’m very appreciative.

艾米：我很开心，凯蒂。是的，每个人都开始学习并开始实施。

凯蒂：绝对。而且，就像我说的，我’ll have some springboard links for them to keep researching more and links to the kill-switch in the show notes. You guys can check those out. And thanks to all of 您, of course, for listening, and I hope to see 您 again next time on “起点生活播客。”

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